An Ohio man has slapped local government with a $3.6 million lawsuit after policemen allegedly violated his Constitutional rights. Police detained Ray Call and confiscated his weapon because he openly carried his firearm into a store.
According to reports, Call entered a store late one night with his gun openly on display. The authorities were alerted, and fairly soon two policemen arrived on the scene. The police officers held Call in the back of the police car, took his weapon, and demanded that he identify himself.
Call refused to identify himself. According to Ohio Revised Code, an individual is not obligated to identify himself to a police officer unless the officer reasonably suspects that the individual is involved in a crime.
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Wed May 15, 2013 11:13 pm
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Re: Ohio Man Illegally Arrested for OC Files $3.6M Lawsuit
In Indiana a new law makes it LEGAL to shoot police if they come into your house illegally. This law need to be broadened to all states for all situations in which police are trying to use force or arrest you illegally. Police would remember their place as civil servants very quickly.
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Wed May 15, 2013 11:24 pm
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Re: Ohio Man Illegally Arrested for OC Files $3.6M Lawsuit
WrinkledSphincter wrote:
In Indiana a new law makes it LEGAL to shoot police if they come into your house illegally. This law need to be broadened to all states for all situations in which police are trying to use force or arrest you illegally. Police would remember their place as civil servants very quickly.
Refer to thread Protip: Don't Shoot at Cops
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Wed May 15, 2013 11:26 pm
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Re: Ohio Man Illegally Arrested for OC Files $3.6M Lawsuit
hauntedxpast wrote:
WrinkledSphincter wrote:
In Indiana a new law makes it LEGAL to shoot police if they come into your house illegally. This law need to be broadened to all states for all situations in which police are trying to use force or arrest you illegally. Police would remember their place as civil servants very quickly.
I am a more of live today sue tomorrow kind of guy!
Shit like this just makes me feel stronger about it. Indiana and the NRA got it right. Cops almost always get away with it, if it's at all possible they will lie, intimidate, tamper with evidence, and engage in other fraudulent behavior to cover it up. Only in rare extreme cases like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant do the cops suffer the consequences, and even then they get off easy.
I think that cops need to know that they don't only need to worry about criminals killing them, but honest folks using lethal force against police if they cross the line. Indiana state legislature passed that law wisely AFAIC.
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Thu May 16, 2013 7:17 pm
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Re: Ohio Man Illegally Arrested for OC Files $3.6M Lawsuit
I remember an episode of COPS...
Where they raided the wrong house - they had the wrong address. When they looked at the court order... it was the house down the street. Clerical error... but man they stormed that house and those poor innocent residents.
They apologized profusely but still things could of gone totally wrong (for everyone).
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Thu May 16, 2013 7:39 pm
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Re: Ohio Man Illegally Arrested for OC Files $3.6M Lawsuit
oldkim wrote:
I remember an episode of COPS...
Where they raided the wrong house - they had the wrong address. When they looked at the court order... it was the house down the street. Clerical error... but man they stormed that house and those poor innocent residents.
They apologized profusely but still things could of gone totally wrong (for everyone).
Ya because cops was never a slanted show, NEVER did they only show the encounter that made cops look good.
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Thu May 16, 2013 8:15 pm
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Re: Ohio Man Illegally Arrested for OC Files $3.6M Lawsuit
WrinkledSphincter wrote:
Just in joy wrote:
yeah shooting at the police does not end well for most refer to the link below.
I am a more of live today sue tomorrow kind of guy!
Shit like this just makes me feel stronger about it. Indiana and the NRA got it right. Cops almost always get away with it, if it's at all possible they will lie, intimidate, tamper with evidence, and engage in other fraudulent behavior to cover it up. Only in rare extreme cases like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant do the cops suffer the consequences, and even then they get off easy.
I think that cops need to know that they don't only need to worry about criminals killing them, but honest folks using lethal force against police if they cross the line. Indiana state legislature passed that law wisely AFAIC.
So, if YOU think they crossed the line, you should be able to shoot them? That's a wonderful precedent to set. I can see it now, "The cop was yelling at me when he gave me a ticket, so I shot him. He crossed the line!" Sounds like an awesome plan, and a great way to honor the people that put their lives on the line every day to make things even a bit safer.
If you can't tell, that's sarcasm. These are horrible ideas. If, as said before, a clerical error occurs, and they enter your house, you want to shoot them for doing their jobs? Seriously? Get real. That's a garbage idea.
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Thu May 16, 2013 8:56 pm
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Re: Ohio Man Illegally Arrested for OC Files $3.6M Lawsuit
hauntedxpast wrote:
WrinkledSphincter wrote:
Just in joy wrote:
yeah shooting at the police does not end well for most refer to the link below.
I am a more of live today sue tomorrow kind of guy!
Shit like this just makes me feel stronger about it. Indiana and the NRA got it right. Cops almost always get away with it, if it's at all possible they will lie, intimidate, tamper with evidence, and engage in other fraudulent behavior to cover it up. Only in rare extreme cases like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant do the cops suffer the consequences, and even then they get off easy.
I think that cops need to know that they don't only need to worry about criminals killing them, but honest folks using lethal force against police if they cross the line. Indiana state legislature passed that law wisely AFAIC.
So, if YOU think they crossed the line, you should be able to shoot them? That's a wonderful precedent to set. I can see it now, "The cop was yelling at me when he gave me a ticket, so I shot him. He crossed the line!" Sounds like an awesome plan, and a great way to honor the people that put their lives on the line every day to make things even a bit safer.
If you can't tell, that's sarcasm. These are horrible ideas. If, as said before, a clerical error occurs, and they enter your house, you want to shoot them for doing their jobs? Seriously? Get real. That's a garbage idea.
Garbage Idea eh? No it's actually a law, backed by the NRA and passed in the state of Indiana. Maybe if our population in Washington was not so full of sheeple, we'd let the NRA help us pass the same bill here.
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Thu May 16, 2013 10:19 pm
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Re: Ohio Man Illegally Arrested for OC Files $3.6M Lawsuit
hauntedxpast wrote:
If, as said before, a clerical error occurs, and they enter your house, you want to shoot them for doing their jobs?
Yes.
If their job is to kick down my door by mistake. Shoot my dog because he barks at them. Then shoot me because I make a move toward the dog. Then beat the crap out of my gramma, and break her hip and her neck, because she looked like she was reaching for something......
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Strange how you find it logical for the police to shoot innocent people and destroy our stuff and thats perfectly ok but if we peons make the same mistake its just abhorrent
not to mention those silly rights thing you seem to enjoy the benefits of, being violated in situations like this
Thu May 16, 2013 11:08 pm
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Re: Ohio Man Illegally Arrested for OC Files $3.6M Lawsuit
WrinkledSphincter wrote:
hauntedxpast wrote:
WrinkledSphincter wrote:
Just in joy wrote:
yeah shooting at the police does not end well for most refer to the link below.
I am a more of live today sue tomorrow kind of guy!
Shit like this just makes me feel stronger about it. Indiana and the NRA got it right. Cops almost always get away with it, if it's at all possible they will lie, intimidate, tamper with evidence, and engage in other fraudulent behavior to cover it up. Only in rare extreme cases like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant do the cops suffer the consequences, and even then they get off easy.
I think that cops need to know that they don't only need to worry about criminals killing them, but honest folks using lethal force against police if they cross the line. Indiana state legislature passed that law wisely AFAIC.
So, if YOU think they crossed the line, you should be able to shoot them? That's a wonderful precedent to set. I can see it now, "The cop was yelling at me when he gave me a ticket, so I shot him. He crossed the line!" Sounds like an awesome plan, and a great way to honor the people that put their lives on the line every day to make things even a bit safer.
If you can't tell, that's sarcasm. These are horrible ideas. If, as said before, a clerical error occurs, and they enter your house, you want to shoot them for doing their jobs? Seriously? Get real. That's a garbage idea.
Garbage Idea eh? No it's actually a law, backed by the NRA and passed in the state of Indiana. Maybe if our population in Washington was not so full of sheeple, we'd let the NRA help us pass the same bill here.
Just because it's a law and the almighty NRA supports it, doesn't make it a good idea. There are a lot of garbage laws. Also, the NRA has sold out gun owners numerous times and still you think that just because they support it that it's a good idea? +1 to the sheeple count.
If they kick your door in and cause or intend to cause harm to you or yours, by all means do what is necessary to defend yourself.
Doors are replaceable, people are not. Cops have families also, and most of them just do as they are told.
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Thu May 16, 2013 11:43 pm
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Re: Ohio Man Illegally Arrested for OC Files $3.6M Lawsuit
Selador wrote:
hauntedxpast wrote:
If, as said before, a clerical error occurs, and they enter your house, you want to shoot them for doing their jobs?
Yes. If their job is to kick down my door by mistake. Shoot my dog because he barks at them. Then shoot me because I make a move toward the dog. Then beat the crap out of my gramma, and break her hip and her neck, because she looked like she was reaching for something......
hauntedxpast wrote:
Cops have families also, and most of them just do as they are told.
Murderers , pedophiles, rapists, and politicians all have families, same as cops. Too many sheeple seem to think that cops suddenly become better people as soon as they put on that little metal badge, but they don't. Shitty people become comes just like shitty people become criminals, not 100% of them in either group, but too many still.
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