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 HB1240 "Assault Weapon" ban & our classifieds 
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Well, it makes me absolutely ill to do so, but I just went through and gutted our Handgun, Rifle, and Shotgun classifieds sections to delete anything that is now an "assault weapon" under this ridiculous new law.

I would highly encourage everyone to read it: https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium ... 0-S.PL.pdf

Start at the list of forbidden guns that starts at the bottom of page 2. After the list, look for underlined text which indicates a change in the current law. Note that this doesn't just affect rifles; it also affects some handguns and some shotguns.

As of right now, I don't personally interpret the law to mean that individual parts are banned, so I haven't deleted any of those ads at this point. If we get a different interpretation of the law later, that may change.

As a reminder, our WaGuns Code of Conduct includes this:

5) Compliance with Laws - All WaGuns users are expected to comply with all local, state and federal laws when posting on the site. Please be aware that the Administration of WaGuns will comply with all legitimate law enforcement requests for information related to active investigations.

Therefore, the actions we take here are our best attempt to legitimately comply with the poorly-written new law.

Our compliance with this law does not in any way indicate that Inslee, Ferguson, or any of the other piece of shit Democrats in our state government are not traitorous scumbags that don't deserve the oxygen that they breathe.

EDIT 4/26/23:

To address the "parts" question further, after more thought and discussion with ours, here are some of my current conclusions:

a. Generally, a part or a collection of parts is not automatically an assault weapon, even if those parts are for a specifically-banned fiream like an AR-15. As an example, any collection of AR-15 parts that does not include EVERY part required to build the firearm is not a "combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled." So, a typical "build kit" which includes every part except the stripped lower is not, per my understanding of the law, an assault weapon. Now, if you already own a stripped lower and then you buy a build kit, then voila you have yourself an assault weapon -- but that's from the buyer's perspective, not that of the person who sold the build kit.

b. One of the other AW definitions is a part "from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon." To me, this means that you are taking an entire firearm, and by installing this part, it becomes an AW. I think there are some scenarios that you can run here that get pretty far into the "contrived" category, but realistically I've only come up with a few that make sense:
- Threaded barrels for semi-auto pistols that use detachable mags. Install a threaded barrel, and suddenly your Glock 19 is an assault weapon.
- A folding or telescoping stock intended for use on a semi-auto centerfire rifle or semi-auto shotgun that normally has a fixed stock.

Therefore, if we see ads for these particular parts, we will delete them.

No doubt our interpretation will evolve over time. If anyone who has read the law has thoughts, please feel free to share them.

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From them kidnapping our children and selling them into sex trafficking to this bullshit. I have had enough of this fucking shit! :angryfire: :cussing:


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I can actually peruse the classified in like 15% of the time it used to take!
Now I don't have to sort through all the evil black rifles cluttering up the rifles section.....

Hopefully there will be a quick injunction to this takeover so things can get back to partially normal. That cold civil war is heating up. Just wonder how much longer the dam will hold up.

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MadPick wrote:
As of right now, I don't personally interpret the law to mean that individual parts are banned, so I haven't deleted any of those ads at this point. If we get a different interpretation of the law later, that may change.


As much as I despise the new laws and eagerly await them being struck down in court, I'm glad that WaGuns has the same interpretation of the bill regarding parts as I do. Unless the part can singlehandedly convert a non-assault weapon into a salty one, it's legal to own and buy/sell/trade. And as expansive as the bill is, I don't think there are any weapons that qualify for that.

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Almost no reason left to go to a gun site anymore

I'm sure that was the plan.

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Almost no reason left to go to a gun site/store/show anymore

I'm sure that was the plan.


I'm sure that was the plan

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That Ruger sp101 is till there...I hope

although it fits the parameters

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WaJim wrote:
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That Ruger sp101 is till there...I hope

although it fits the parameters


Until you thread it. :bigsmile:


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I just edited my OP to add this:

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To address the "parts" question further, after more thought and discussion with ours, here are some of my current conclusions:

a. Generally, a part or a collection of parts is not automatically an assault weapon, even if those parts are for a specifically-banned fiream like an AR-15. As an example, any collection of AR-15 parts that does not include EVERY part required to build the firearm is not a "combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled." So, a typical "build kit" which includes every part except the stripped lower is not, per my understanding of the law, an assault weapon. Now, if you already own a stripped lower and then you buy a build kit, then voila you have yourself an assault weapon -- but that's from the buyer's perspective, not that of the person who sold the build kit.

b. One of the other AW definitions is a part "from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon." To me, this means that you are taking an entire firearm, and by installing this part, it becomes an AW. I think there are some scenarios that you can run here that get pretty far into the "contrived" category, but realistically I've only come up with a few that make sense:
- Threaded barrels for semi-auto pistols that use detachable mags. Install a threaded barrel, and suddenly your Glock 19 is an assault weapon.
- A folding or telescoping stock intended for use on a semi-auto centerfire rifle or semi-auto shotgun that normally has a fixed stock.

Therefore, if we see ads for these particular parts, we will delete them.

No doubt our interpretation will evolve over time. If anyone who has read the law has thoughts, please feel free to share them.


So . . . any budding legal scholars out there? G4L? :bigsmile:

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MadPick wrote:
I just edited my OP to add this:

Quote:
To address the "parts" question further, after more thought and discussion with ours, here are some of my current conclusions:

a. Generally, a part or a collection of parts is not automatically an assault weapon, even if those parts are for a specifically-banned fiream like an AR-15. As an example, any collection of AR-15 parts that does not include EVERY part required to build the firearm is not a "combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled." So, a typical "build kit" which includes every part except the stripped lower is not, per my understanding of the law, an assault weapon. Now, if you already own a stripped lower and then you buy a build kit, then voila you have yourself an assault weapon -- but that's from the buyer's perspective, not that of the person who sold the build kit.

b. One of the other AW definitions is a part "from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon." To me, this means that you are taking an entire firearm, and by installing this part, it becomes an AW. I think there are some scenarios that you can run here that get pretty far into the "contrived" category, but realistically I've only come up with a few that make sense:
- Threaded barrels for semi-auto pistols that use detachable mags. Install a threaded barrel, and suddenly your Glock 19 is an assault weapon.
- A folding or telescoping stock intended for use on a semi-auto centerfire rifle or semi-auto shotgun that normally has a fixed stock.

Therefore, if we see ads for these particular parts, we will delete them.

No doubt our interpretation will evolve over time. If anyone who has read the law has thoughts, please feel free to share them.


So . . . any budding legal scholars out there? G4L? :bigsmile:

What ever happened to leadcounsel? He was always so helpful.

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