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BEWARE OF WILLIAMSON GUNS IN STANWOOD, WA!!!!
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smoothsoul
Location: Bellingham Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2017 Posts: 10
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I finally received the 70 page investigation report. The case has been closed, but I can't find what was the outcome, outside of the case being sent to property crimes unit of Snohomish county. I've waited several months to get the public disclosure copy, anyone interested in it send me an email at kaminky@gmail.com and I'll forward it to you.
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Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:24 pm |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38292
Real Name: Dan
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Email sent. I'll dropbox it and then link it.
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Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:33 pm |
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chevytruckman
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Location: Puyallup Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2011 Posts: 4992
Real Name: Sean
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Massivedesign wrote: Email sent. I'll dropbox it and then link it. You my friend are gangster.
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Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:41 pm |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38292
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He sent it to me in a google dive link. Let me know if any of you can't see this. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By4HC9 ... p=drivesdk
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Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:25 pm |
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chevytruckman
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Location: Puyallup Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2011 Posts: 4992
Real Name: Sean
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My head hurts!
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Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:46 pm |
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Guntrader
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Location: Mukilteoish Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 Posts: 11595
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Theft 3 9A 56.050 is a gross misdemeanor (3 counts). Theft of a Firearm 9A.56.300 is a B Felony (1 count).
Penalty: Under WA DSA 12-14 months DOC for the felony assuming he has a clean record. Up to a year in county for the misdemeanor(s).
I'd guess he could plead it down to misdemeanor theft, make a half assed attempt at restitution (couple grand), and do maybe 3 months county. Doesn't seem to be a high priority with anyone in Sno Co. Need to get ATF fired up over it for real punishment.
Or hope he fucked Sheriff Ty Trenary on a deal. That would get results.
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Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:11 pm |
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smoothsoul
Location: Bellingham Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2017 Posts: 10
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Got an email this morning that the SGt. Of property crimes decided it was a civil issue. Unreal that a business owner can take your money with no services provided and it's not a crime?
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:03 am |
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deadshot2
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Location: Marysville, WA Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 Posts: 11581
Real Name: Mike
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Oldandcranky1 wrote: Dang it. Looks like he's getting away with it. I wonder if there's any point in trying to add my name to the list. In reading 73 pages it would be hard to prove "intent" which is key to getting a fraud conviction. Unfortunately for those who didn't receive service, refunds, or firearms, this is truly a Civil Matter. If all the individuals involved kicked in a couple hundred each, along with any donations to the cause from others in the gun community, they could file a suit against Williamson in Civil Court for not just their money, but also damages and attorney costs. In essence it would put Williamson out of business and possibly loose his property. In some ways a Plaintiff Verdict in a Civil Trial can be more punishing than a guilty verdict in a Criminal Trial. Other possibility is that if his bookkeeping practices are as bad as his business practices, the ATF investigators are going to find problems in his "bound book". May even find the missing firearms he claims he shipped. That information could change minds as to whether or not he had intent to defraud. In a Civil Trial "Exhibit A" will be the police report and "victim" statements. If I were called for Jury Duty I know how I'd vote already. I wonder if anyone has contacted the Postal Service? A lot of business conducted via the mails and that usually brings out the Postal Inspectors who have a whole bunch of other Statutes they enforce. I doubt Mr. Williamson's issues are over but the more the word gets out the less opportunity he'll have to screw others. His work may be fantastic but his ethics sure suck.
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:07 am |
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Guntrader
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Location: Mukilteoish Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 Posts: 11595
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Isn't the prosecutors office supposed to decide that?
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:08 am |
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deadshot2
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Location: Marysville, WA Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 Posts: 11581
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Guntrader wrote: Isn't the prosecutors office supposed to decide that? Not necessarily. It's pretty hard to prove intent and the SO apparently wasn't able to uncover any intent so they probably have instructions from the Prosecutor's office on what to submit or not. My guess is that more than one or two phone calls were made before the decision was made by the SO.
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:12 am |
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smoothsoul
Location: Bellingham Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2017 Posts: 10
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Oldandcranky1 wrote: Dang it. Looks like he's getting away with it. I wonder if there's any point in trying to add my name to the list. I'm going to private message you. I'm in touch with the investigating officer and it is possible that intent can be proved with more victims of his fraudulent practices. I'm also pursuing the matter of conflict of interest, as he stated charges would not stick because of Snohomish county officers being his customers.
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:26 am |
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3584ELK
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Location: Lake Andes, S. Dakota Joined: Thu Aug 8, 2013 Posts: 1250
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smoothsoul wrote: Oldandcranky1 wrote: Dang it. Looks like he's getting away with it. I wonder if there's any point in trying to add my name to the list. I'm going to private message you. I'm in touch with the investigating officer and it is possible that intent can be proved with more victims of his fraudulent practices. I'm also pursuing the matter of conflict of interest, as he stated charges would not stick because of Snohomish county officers being his customers. If you can put the person who heard Williamson state that he thinks he is untouchable, please put that person in touch with Sgt. Van der Well of Snohomish County SO. I have her contact information. I am considering moving up the chain with this, since we cannot get BATFE (yes, I have sent my evidence to the Supv in the Seattle Field Office) or Snohomish County to move on this. I know a few state and national reps who might be very interested to learn that his criminal actions are "civil".
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deadshot2
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Location: Marysville, WA Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 Posts: 11581
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3584ELK wrote: smoothsoul wrote: Oldandcranky1 wrote: Dang it. Looks like he's getting away with it. I wonder if there's any point in trying to add my name to the list. I'm going to private message you. I'm in touch with the investigating officer and it is possible that intent can be proved with more victims of his fraudulent practices. I'm also pursuing the matter of conflict of interest, as he stated charges would not stick because of Snohomish county officers being his customers. If you can put the person who heard Williamson state that he thinks he is untouchable, please put that person in touch with Sgt. Van der Well of Snohomish County SO. I have her contact information. I am considering moving up the chain with this, since we cannot get BATFE (yes, I have sent my evidence to the Supv in the Seattle Field Office) or Snohomish County to move on this. I know a few state and national reps who might be very interested to learn that his criminal actions are "civil". I'd be interested in the results of the BATFE "audit" of his books if it's happened. If any of the "missing" firearms turns up then it should be a slam dunk to make it criminal.
_________________ "I've learned from the Dog that an afternoon nap is a good thing"
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"For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother" - William Shakespeare
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:38 am |
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Selador
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Location: Index Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2012 Posts: 12963
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deadshot2 wrote: 3584ELK wrote: smoothsoul wrote: Oldandcranky1 wrote: Dang it. Looks like he's getting away with it. I wonder if there's any point in trying to add my name to the list. I'm going to private message you. I'm in touch with the investigating officer and it is possible that intent can be proved with more victims of his fraudulent practices. I'm also pursuing the matter of conflict of interest, as he stated charges would not stick because of Snohomish county officers being his customers. If you can put the person who heard Williamson state that he thinks he is untouchable, please put that person in touch with Sgt. Van der Well of Snohomish County SO. I have her contact information. I am considering moving up the chain with this, since we cannot get BATFE (yes, I have sent my evidence to the Supv in the Seattle Field Office) or Snohomish County to move on this. I know a few state and national reps who might be very interested to learn that his criminal actions are "civil". I'd be interested in the results of the BATFE "audit" of his books if it's happened. If any of the "missing" firearms turns up then it should be a slam dunk to make it criminal. If he sold them under the table to someone else, it's not likely they are going to come forward with them. And how is anyone going to find them, otherwise? Unless they are used in a crime, or that person tries to sell them in a legitimate way, etc...
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:13 pm |
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deadshot2
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Location: Marysville, WA Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 Posts: 11581
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Selador wrote: If he sold them under the table to someone else, it's not likely they are going to come forward with them. And how is anyone going to find them, otherwise? Unless they are used in a crime, or that person tries to sell them in a legitimate way, etc... With the lack of business competence I see in reading the posts in this thread, my guess is that the firearms are somewhere on his premises and he just can't find them. Could also be that he used parts from them to repair others, thinking he'd be able to get replacements down the road. A trick some use in almost all repair businesses to generate needed cash flow. Best part about this conversation is that those who choose to send firearms to him have been forewarned. No excuses if they too get screwed.
_________________ "I've learned from the Dog that an afternoon nap is a good thing"
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"For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother" - William Shakespeare
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